Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Cpl. Cpl. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. They held their breath. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. KATE: I had a great childhood. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. granddad? On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). Mr. BAGBY: Yes. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. MORRISON: What do you do about this? I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. Or it's in the car. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. In the end, she died, but love did not. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Instead, the films dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagbys parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their sons body. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Because this is foreshadowing. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. Why would she say that if he wasn't? Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Both screenings received sustained standing ovations, and the Toronto audience applauded yet again when director Kurt Kuenne announced that he had sent letters to every member of Parliament requesting the opportunity to screen the film for them. I kind of. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. (Talking in group) This is not about money. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Djing. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Sharing voices. Complicating things further, she soon announced that she was pregnant with Bagbys child. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. Cpl. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Remember these two things as I go on. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). December 10, 2007: Curated newsletters for curious minds. June 25, 2008: So he came straight for me. What if she is backed in a. corner? There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. It would take two weeks. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. But of course I didn't. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss - Goodreads Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. April 14, 2009: And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Skewed imagery. He said, `What can happen?'. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. Click HERE for ticket information. Someone found a car that didn't belong. -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . Mr David C Bagby Obituary Visitation Funeral Information That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Couldn't be her. But afterwards, all wounded and broken down, you will see the power of the human spirit even in the face of the darkest of souls." Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. Troutman Funeral Home is assisting the Bagby family. to reconsider getting some help with that. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Hello. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. David Bagby Obituary (2022) - Statesville, NC - Statesville Record Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). You dont get over it. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. I'm absolutely sure. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Cpl. HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr. Shirley Turner,. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. Oh, my God. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Help contribute to IMDb. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. And I saw that night her malignancy. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Shirley Turner had some startling news. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. But how? I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. What a flaky person. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. PDF Bail bill inspired by Bagby's murdered grandson They also went to Ottawa to push the case for Bill C-464, which had been introduced by then Liberal MP Scott Andrews, at a committee hearing. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Except this story is worse. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss 1 Photo. At least he might have asleep when she went in. Go away.'. I was just gone. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Blu-ray: With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. And he'd be like(turns. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. He was such a good baby. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. In the course of the next two yearsas Turners extradition process dragged on, as Bagbys parents moved from California to Newfoundland to fight for custody of the baby, and as the case eventually took an even more terrible turnthe film came to be about those events as well. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father You dont leave it behind. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. Dear Zachary had its Canadian premiere at the Hot Docs International Documentary Film Festival in Toronto, where it was welcomed by a line down the street and around the block to get in. And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. I couldn't see the point anymore. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Did anyone have more friends than he? And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. kate and david bagby still living They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. It's. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby.
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